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And in the ovas, Bell said that she will quit to her goddess condition and forget everythng about heaven if she can stay with K1, thats LOVE!

Oh yeah, that's totally true, they are much more than friends, they are lovers in every sense of the word, save the sexual, and as Belldandy said, she's not ready yet, but someday when she is ready, she will fulfill K1's desire, because she loves him.

I just re-watched the OVA's and I remember that scene where Bell proclaims that she will give up her Goddess status... very touching. In many ways the Original OVA's held a more romantic feel to them than the TV series (in which Bell makes the discovery that she would rather remain a Goddess). I plan to re-watch the Movie here soon too.
But yes I agree in many ways they could be considered 'Lovers' and in the fansubs its kinda ironic that one of the ending Themes ends with 'Lovers'....
Still.. if they have reached their pinacle for their relationship, then I would like to see whats going on with other characters in the story. Like Megumi, Sayoko, Otaki & Satoko, Lind, etc.

Well in the TV series and Manga she's never faced with the choice of choosing between her goddess powers and being with K1, if it came down to choosing between remaining a goddess or staying with K1 i'm certain she'd pick K1, but if given the choice she'd rather do both

Your right. In the TV series she had her license suspended so it wasn't really a loss of her powers, but it was a realization for her of how much she depended upon them. It also showed her just how well K1 coped with living without having any powers. I think that made her admire him more for his mortal strength of life. But yeh if she could she would much prefer to have both her powers and K1. But now doesn't ep 23 make you wonder.... Both Bell and K1 seemed to consider that the day would come for them to part... do you really think that when that day comes Bell will be able to accept it?

To me it's not really all that "wow" for her to be willing to give up her powers. I know it might sound like an odd comparison, but to me it's sort of like how a rich person, or someone of nobility, would choose to marry someone poor/common and knowing that doing so will strip her of money and title. To that person, the title and the money are a part of her, just like the goddess powers are a part of Belldandy. Granted, those are a bit more important and make up who she is more then wealth or anything; but it's more a case of what you're used to, versus what you can live with.

I don't think they will ever part. I know both would feel it their duty to part if they thought it necesarry for some reason or other. But I also know that it would break both there spirits. No matter how strong you are mentally or physically, losing a soul mate leaves you shattered and broken, with no one capable of putting the pieces back together.

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To me it's not really all that "wow" for her to be willing to give up her powers. I know it might sound like an odd comparison, but to me it's sort of like how a rich person, or someone of nobility, would choose to marry someone poor/common and knowing that doing so will strip her of money and title. To that person, the title and the money are a part of her, just like the goddess powers are a part of Belldandy. Granted, those are a bit more important and make up who she is more then wealth or anything; but it's more a case of what you're used to, versus what you can live with.

I don't think they will ever part. I know both would feel it their duty to part if they thought it necesarry for some reason or other. But I also know that it would break both there spirits. No matter how strong you are mentally or physically, losing a soul mate leaves you shattered and broken, with no one capable of putting the pieces back together.

Very true. Irl its not uncommon for the spouse of someone whom has died to die shortly thereafter (typically within 6 months to 1 year) in what was a deep loving relationship. Still I think that it would be far more damaging to both of them if they were forced to part while still early in their relationship. Bell showed a melancholy of sorts (becoming so listless that even Skuld was worried) at the thought of her being recalled from earth in S2. I can't be sure, but they would both probably fare better (though still be quite depressed) if they were forced to part much, much later on (say in 20 story years or so). But honestly if that were to happen it would be the 'end' of the story... so thats not likely to happen any time soon.

Hmm, maybe. I think they'll both feel very happy for the time they got to spend with eachother. But at the same time, they'll have such a strong bond and such a comfortable way of living, that it will hurt both even more. That's my opinion, at least.

There's no doubt that both Keiichi and Belldandy would be listless and depressed if they ever had to part. They bring out the best and worse in eachother - and that's what makes it so special.

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To me it's not really all that "wow" for her to be willing to give up her powers. I know it might sound like an odd comparison, but to me it's sort of like how a rich person, or someone of nobility, would choose to marry someone poor/common and knowing that doing so will strip her of money and title. To that person, the title and the money are a part of her, just like the goddess powers are a part of Belldandy. Granted, those are a bit more important and make up who she is more then wealth or anything; but it's more a case of what you're used to, versus what you can live with.

I don't think they will ever part. I know both would feel it their duty to part if they thought it necesarry for some reason or other. But I also know that it would break both there spirits. No matter how strong you are mentally or physically, losing a soul mate leaves you shattered and broken, with no one capable of putting the pieces back together.

Very true. Irl its not uncommon for the spouse of someone whom has died to die shortly thereafter (typically within 6 months to 1 year) in what was a deep loving relationship. Still I think that it would be far more damaging to both of them if they were forced to part while still early in their relationship. Bell showed a melancholy of sorts (becoming so listless that even Skuld was worried) at the thought of her being recalled from earth in S2. I can't be sure, but they would both probably fare better (though still be quite depressed) if they were forced to part much, much later on (say in 20 story years or so). But honestly if that were to happen it would be the 'end' of the story... so thats not likely to happen any time soon.

No being forced to part after 20 years together would be as bad if not worse, by then they'll have come to built their entire life around each other, and come to depend on the other being there, so to be seperated at that point would basicailly shatter their worlds. Personally I don't think either of them would take being seperated that well, especially if it was permanent seperation, if there was the hope of reuniting then they might be able to go on, but if it was permanent, I could see them both basically losing the will to go on.

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To me it's not really all that "wow" for her to be willing to give up her powers. I know it might sound like an odd comparison, but to me it's sort of like how a rich person, or someone of nobility, would choose to marry someone poor/common and knowing that doing so will strip her of money and title. To that person, the title and the money are a part of her, just like the goddess powers are a part of Belldandy. Granted, those are a bit more important and make up who she is more then wealth or anything; but it's more a case of what you're used to, versus what you can live with.

I don't think they will ever part. I know both would feel it their duty to part if they thought it necesarry for some reason or other. But I also know that it would break both there spirits. No matter how strong you are mentally or physically, losing a soul mate leaves you shattered and broken, with no one capable of putting the pieces back together.

Very true. Irl its not uncommon for the spouse of someone whom has died to die shortly thereafter (typically within 6 months to 1 year) in what was a deep loving relationship. Still I think that it would be far more damaging to both of them if they were forced to part while still early in their relationship. Bell showed a melancholy of sorts (becoming so listless that even Skuld was worried) at the thought of her being recalled from earth in S2. I can't be sure, but they would both probably fare better (though still be quite depressed) if they were forced to part much, much later on (say in 20 story years or so). But honestly if that were to happen it would be the 'end' of the story... so thats not likely to happen any time soon.

No being forced to part after 20 years together would be as bad if not worse, by then they'll have come to built their entire life around each other, and come to depend on the other being there, so to be seperated at that point would basicailly shatter their worlds. Personally I don't think either of them would take being seperated that well, especially if it was permanent seperation, if there was the hope of reuniting then they might be able to go on, but if it was permanent, I could see them both basically losing the will to go on.

Don't count out the strength of their wills just yet. Besides a permanent separation between them would most likely be because of the death of K1. Peorth has shown that a Goddess could spend her time off where ever she wants.. Bell would no doubt do the same or take a leave of absence or vacation or something to spend time with K1. Bell would morn for a long time but with Urd and Skuld to support her she would go on. If they are separated simply because of duty, there is little doubt that Bell would find a way to spend time with K1, so the separation would not be as traumatic.

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To me it's not really all that "wow" for her to be willing to give up her powers. I know it might sound like an odd comparison, but to me it's sort of like how a rich person, or someone of nobility, would choose to marry someone poor/common and knowing that doing so will strip her of money and title. To that person, the title and the money are a part of her, just like the goddess powers are a part of Belldandy. Granted, those are a bit more important and make up who she is more then wealth or anything; but it's more a case of what you're used to, versus what you can live with.

I don't think they will ever part. I know both would feel it their duty to part if they thought it necesarry for some reason or other. But I also know that it would break both there spirits. No matter how strong you are mentally or physically, losing a soul mate leaves you shattered and broken, with no one capable of putting the pieces back together.

Very true. Irl its not uncommon for the spouse of someone whom has died to die shortly thereafter (typically within 6 months to 1 year) in what was a deep loving relationship. Still I think that it would be far more damaging to both of them if they were forced to part while still early in their relationship. Bell showed a melancholy of sorts (becoming so listless that even Skuld was worried) at the thought of her being recalled from earth in S2. I can't be sure, but they would both probably fare better (though still be quite depressed) if they were forced to part much, much later on (say in 20 story years or so). But honestly if that were to happen it would be the 'end' of the story... so thats not likely to happen any time soon.

No being forced to part after 20 years together would be as bad if not worse, by then they'll have come to built their entire life around each other, and come to depend on the other being there, so to be seperated at that point would basicailly shatter their worlds. Personally I don't think either of them would take being seperated that well, especially if it was permanent seperation, if there was the hope of reuniting then they might be able to go on, but if it was permanent, I could see them both basically losing the will to go on.

Don't count out the strength of their wills just yet. Besides a permanent separation between them would most likely be because of the death of K1. Peorth has shown that a Goddess could spend her time off where ever she wants.. Bell would no doubt do the same or take a leave of absence or vacation or something to spend time with K1. Bell would morn for a long time but with Urd and Skuld to support her she would go on. If they are separated simply because of duty, there is little doubt that Bell would find a way to spend time with K1, so the separation would not be as traumatic.

Nope gotta disagree, first off Bell's already admitted that time moves different in heaven so by the time she was able to come back hundreds of years could have passed, it she might not be able to spend her vacations with K1, and you're saying Bell would be able to move on if K1 died, this girl has nearly killed herself trying to save his life, so no it wouldn't be as easy as you think, also in the movie when Celestine was imprsioned she became catatonic, you really think her feelings for K1 aren't stronger than her feelings for Celestine? I think you're underestimating just how important he is to her, no I could easily see her not getting over it.

I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

LEast favorite character? hmm...

>the anime otaku in the manga that almost rapedd bell...

>aoshima...the guy that did that kind of job...

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I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

Well remeber that she puts K1 ahead of the happiness of others, not to mention that she's said if it came down to K1 or everyone else she'd pick K1, and considering how she's acted in the past when K1 is in danger, and that scene in the movie after Celestine gets imprisoned, I think K1's death would be very traumatic for her, now Urd could always use a memory block on her, to make her forget about K1, that would keep her going at least for some time.

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I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

Well remeber that she puts K1 ahead of the happiness of others, not to mention that she's said if it came down to K1 or everyone else she'd pick K1, and considering how she's acted in the past when K1 is in danger, and that scene in the movie after Celestine gets imprisoned, I think K1's death would be very traumatic for her, now Urd could always use a memory block on her, to make her forget about K1, that would keep her going at least for some time.

Yes Bell mentioned that time moves differently in Heaven, but also do not forget that Peorth, Urd, Skuld, Mara, and even Bell have all returned back to heaven at one point or another and have all returned well within a relatively short period of time. I don't think time passes quite as dramatically as you might think... It may pass variably in that if there are periods where there is no need for Goddesses upon the earth then time may pass far faster on earth than in heaven until there is a need then time re=snycs itself. Thats just a theory since both Bell's statement about time passing, Peorth's references about how long a Goddess lives/exists and the seeming relative ease at which the Goddesses have been able to return to Heaven and come back to earth (without any real time dilation). Then again Bell is the Goddess of the present.. and its been shown that with Urd and Skuld's help she can time travel... and going by your last statement about Bell putting K1 first above all else.... then if it really comes down to it.. Bell could see K1 anytime she wants..

Now as for Celestine... Bell sure didn't hesitate to kiss him now did she? hmm... come to think of it.. .she didn't even kiss K1 in that movie either now did she?...

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I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

Well remeber that she puts K1 ahead of the happiness of others, not to mention that she's said if it came down to K1 or everyone else she'd pick K1, and considering how she's acted in the past when K1 is in danger, and that scene in the movie after Celestine gets imprisoned, I think K1's death would be very traumatic for her, now Urd could always use a memory block on her, to make her forget about K1, that would keep her going at least for some time.

Yes Bell mentioned that time moves differently in Heaven, but also do not forget that Peorth, Urd, Skuld, Mara, and even Bell have all returned back to heaven at one point or another and have all returned well within a relatively short period of time. I don't think time passes quite as dramatically as you might think... It may pass variably in that if there are periods where there is no need for Goddesses upon the earth then time may pass far faster on earth than in heaven until there is a need then time re=snycs itself. Thats just a theory since both Bell's statement about time passing, Peorth's references about how long a Goddess lives/exists and the seeming relative ease at which the Goddesses have been able to return to Heaven and come back to earth (without any real time dilation). Then again Bell is the Goddess of the present.. and its been shown that with Urd and Skuld's help she can time travel... and going by your last statement about Bell putting K1 first above all else.... then if it really comes down to it.. Bell could see K1 anytime she wants..

Now as for Celestine... Bell sure didn't hesitate to kiss him now did she? hmm... come to think of it.. .she didn't even kiss K1 in that movie either now did she?...

Yeah the whole Time Travel thing is one of the worst additions Ghoda made to the sereis, and since its not part of the Manga, I hesitate to accept it as part of the true canon.

Celestine kissed her not vice versa when he showed up after the party, she seemed shocked when he kissed her and then she passed out from the virus he implanted, Belldandy doesn't have any particular feelings for Celestine beyond that of a teacher/father figure, so if you're insinuating that she loves him more than K1, I think you need to rethink your ideas :P

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I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

Well remeber that she puts K1 ahead of the happiness of others, not to mention that she's said if it came down to K1 or everyone else she'd pick K1, and considering how she's acted in the past when K1 is in danger, and that scene in the movie after Celestine gets imprisoned, I think K1's death would be very traumatic for her, now Urd could always use a memory block on her, to make her forget about K1, that would keep her going at least for some time.

Oh ye of little faith. ^_^

One of those memory blocks will probably do more bad than good. Who would want the most important part of their lives to be whited out? I'm going to use a stereotypical reply here, but... "It's better to have loved and lost, then to have never loved."

Also, I don't think Celestine is even an issue here. I mean - as Avinash says, Belldandy didn't kiss him. And even so; a kiss is just that: a kiss.

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I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

Well remeber that she puts K1 ahead of the happiness of others, not to mention that she's said if it came down to K1 or everyone else she'd pick K1, and considering how she's acted in the past when K1 is in danger, and that scene in the movie after Celestine gets imprisoned, I think K1's death would be very traumatic for her, now Urd could always use a memory block on her, to make her forget about K1, that would keep her going at least for some time.

Oh ye of little faith. ^_^

One of those memory blocks will probably do more bad than good. Who would want the most important part of their lives to be whited out? I'm going to use a stereotypical reply here, but... "It's better to have loved and lost, then to have never loved."

Also, I don't think Celestine is even an issue here. I mean - as Avinash says, Belldandy didn't kiss him. And even so; a kiss is just that: a kiss.

Not always a Kiss can be more than a kiss, since it can show a person's true feelings, but the fact is Bell didn't kiss him, he kissed her and she was shocked.

Ah but losing love can be a painful thing, so much so that those around you might not want you to suffer, or see you suffering, if Bell sunk into depression over K1's death which is likely, I could see Urd taking steps to help her even if its something that Bell wouldn't want, like erasing her memory of K1

Least favourite? Not really sure actually...