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I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

Well remeber that she puts K1 ahead of the happiness of others, not to mention that she's said if it came down to K1 or everyone else she'd pick K1, and considering how she's acted in the past when K1 is in danger, and that scene in the movie after Celestine gets imprisoned, I think K1's death would be very traumatic for her, now Urd could always use a memory block on her, to make her forget about K1, that would keep her going at least for some time.

Yes Bell mentioned that time moves differently in Heaven, but also do not forget that Peorth, Urd, Skuld, Mara, and even Bell have all returned back to heaven at one point or another and have all returned well within a relatively short period of time. I don't think time passes quite as dramatically as you might think... It may pass variably in that if there are periods where there is no need for Goddesses upon the earth then time may pass far faster on earth than in heaven until there is a need then time re=snycs itself. Thats just a theory since both Bell's statement about time passing, Peorth's references about how long a Goddess lives/exists and the seeming relative ease at which the Goddesses have been able to return to Heaven and come back to earth (without any real time dilation). Then again Bell is the Goddess of the present.. and its been shown that with Urd and Skuld's help she can time travel... and going by your last statement about Bell putting K1 first above all else.... then if it really comes down to it.. Bell could see K1 anytime she wants..

Now as for Celestine... Bell sure didn't hesitate to kiss him now did she? hmm... come to think of it.. .she didn't even kiss K1 in that movie either now did she?...

Yeah the whole Time Travel thing is one of the worst additions Ghoda made to the sereis, and since its not part of the Manga, I hesitate to accept it as part of the true canon.

Celestine kissed her not vice versa when he showed up after the party, she seemed shocked when he kissed her and then she passed out from the virus he implanted, Belldandy doesn't have any particular feelings for Celestine beyond that of a teacher/father figure, so if you're insinuating that she loves him more than K1, I think you need to rethink your ideas :P

Having re-watched the whole scene.... nope... She defiantly has/had feelings for Celestine... more akin to a puppy love/crush... like that of a fan-girl towards an admired idol.. She was surprised that Celestine kissed her but make no mistake, she was not resistant towards it in the least. Bell has proved that she is quite capable of escaping when she has need. She didn't openly welcome it.. but neither did she fight it. She was.. passive... or rather in a quandary as to how to react to the whole situation. With Celestine's sudden appearance, and Urd basically ready to attack him, Bell was at a total loss as to what and why things were happening the way they were. Indeed she remained at a loss and seeking answers through out most of the film. Also if your going to compare her feelings towards him as a father figure... remember most daughters love their fathers... Still Bell's love for K1 far outstripped her admiration for Celestine. Thats part of why he blocked her memories of K1. He needed her loyalty to his cause to return, and K1 was a distraction that he did need to hamper his goals.
I really only brought up the kiss just to get your thoughts on it.

Now as for the whole time travel arch from S2... Time travel would/should have eventually been covered at some point in the story as you have three goddesses whom represent the Past, Present, and Future.. there has to be some attachment/reason for them to even have those titles. So its not so far fetched that they (even if its only when using combined powers) could transverse time. Yes it does throw a monkey wrench in the 'tragic love drama of possible permanent separation' as if abused Bell could conceivably have unlimited access to K1 at any time by simply hopping through time, but honestly thats not going to happen. If your going to start questioning that as true canon or not then you might as well question the whole TV series and the AMG movie too. I'm not... I'm just going to enjoy the series, in all its formats...

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I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

Well remeber that she puts K1 ahead of the happiness of others, not to mention that she's said if it came down to K1 or everyone else she'd pick K1, and considering how she's acted in the past when K1 is in danger, and that scene in the movie after Celestine gets imprisoned, I think K1's death would be very traumatic for her, now Urd could always use a memory block on her, to make her forget about K1, that would keep her going at least for some time.

Yes Bell mentioned that time moves differently in Heaven, but also do not forget that Peorth, Urd, Skuld, Mara, and even Bell have all returned back to heaven at one point or another and have all returned well within a relatively short period of time. I don't think time passes quite as dramatically as you might think... It may pass variably in that if there are periods where there is no need for Goddesses upon the earth then time may pass far faster on earth than in heaven until there is a need then time re=snycs itself. Thats just a theory since both Bell's statement about time passing, Peorth's references about how long a Goddess lives/exists and the seeming relative ease at which the Goddesses have been able to return to Heaven and come back to earth (without any real time dilation). Then again Bell is the Goddess of the present.. and its been shown that with Urd and Skuld's help she can time travel... and going by your last statement about Bell putting K1 first above all else.... then if it really comes down to it.. Bell could see K1 anytime she wants..

Now as for Celestine... Bell sure didn't hesitate to kiss him now did she? hmm... come to think of it.. .she didn't even kiss K1 in that movie either now did she?...

Yeah the whole Time Travel thing is one of the worst additions Ghoda made to the sereis, and since its not part of the Manga, I hesitate to accept it as part of the true canon.

Celestine kissed her not vice versa when he showed up after the party, she seemed shocked when he kissed her and then she passed out from the virus he implanted, Belldandy doesn't have any particular feelings for Celestine beyond that of a teacher/father figure, so if you're insinuating that she loves him more than K1, I think you need to rethink your ideas :P

Having re-watched the whole scene.... nope... She defiantly has/had feelings for Celestine... more akin to a puppy love/crush... like that of a fan-girl towards an admired idol.. She was surprised that Celestine kissed her but make no mistake, she was not resistant towards it in the least. Bell has proved that she is quite capable of escaping when she has need. She didn't openly welcome it.. but neither did she fight it. She was.. passive... or rather in a quandary as to how to react to the whole situation. With Celestine's sudden appearance, and Urd basically ready to attack him, Bell was at a total loss as to what and why things were happening the way they were. Indeed she remained at a loss and seeking answers through out most of the film. Also if your going to compare her feelings towards him as a father figure... remember most daughters love their fathers... Still Bell's love for K1 far outstripped her admiration for Celestine. Thats part of why he blocked her memories of K1. He needed her loyalty to his cause to return, and K1 was a distraction that he did need to hamper his goals.
I really only brought up the kiss just to get your thoughts on it.

Now as for the whole time travel arch from S2... Time travel would/should have eventually been covered at some point in the story as you have three goddesses whom represent the Past, Present, and Future.. there has to be some attachment/reason for them to even have those titles. So its not so far fetched that they (even if its only when using combined powers) could transverse time. Yes it does throw a monkey wrench in the 'tragic love drama of possible permanent separation' as if abused Bell could conceivably have unlimited access to K1 at any time by simply hopping through time, but honestly thats not going to happen. If your going to start questioning that as true canon or not then you might as well question the whole TV series and the AMG movie too. I'm not... I'm just going to enjoy the series, in all its formats...

Your statement on time travel got me to thinking and something hit me (aside from the obscene length that the posts are getting to due to everyone quoteing each other). What if Keiichi is ALREADY dead and the sisters have already gone back because Bell wanted it so bad and the reason that they get surprised at anypoint is because when ever they go back in time, some things are slightly different, different slightly stuff happens, people say slighty different stuff but some of it is the same. Like in one timeline K1 drives a Kawasaki ninja rather than the BMW and in the next one Keiichi drives a car. It would go to explain why Skuld is always trying to derail the relationship bc she knows in the end he will die and doesnt want Bell to suffer repeditively, and Urd wants them to progress further and work out is because she wants Bell to be happy, while Bell just wants her short Japanese grease monkey.

Another reason to explain as to why they dont have K1's life memorized by now is that when ever Belldandy regrants the wish, the system saves over the wish and memories from the previous time line in all three of the goddesses, deactivates Skuld's powers that she got from the previous time line, and removes Noble Scarlet so they dont have the previous memories and Skuld doesnt inexplicably have powers and an angel suddenly without truely loving someone. This explanation would explain Bell's several second look of shock she gets when K1 says his wish and all she would know about him is just what she saw during the observation/evaluation period of Keiichei and whatever they talked about before the wish granting.

It would be insane if this was the actual back story that has been running in the background and gets revealed at the end of the series when they go back in time and the last panel/scene is Bell coming out of the mirror and greeting K1 and telling him about his one wish privilige.

At the very least would make for an interesting fanfic.

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I think that Belldandy would rightly feel that it was her duty to go on, if only to continue spreading happiness to other people. I don't think Keiichi could love someone who would give up so easily.

Also, I don't know... I mean, Keiichi's not an ordinary human being. He's been "posessed" by a God, has been the host body for a demon, could see Bell when he wasn't supposed to see her... We haven't heard the last of this yet.
I'm sorta hoping that it's like a fanfic I once read of Inuyasha - that Keiichi is a special kind of human who, once together with his goddess, shares her life force, and is thus able to live much longer then normal humans are able to.

Well remeber that she puts K1 ahead of the happiness of others, not to mention that she's said if it came down to K1 or everyone else she'd pick K1, and considering how she's acted in the past when K1 is in danger, and that scene in the movie after Celestine gets imprisoned, I think K1's death would be very traumatic for her, now Urd could always use a memory block on her, to make her forget about K1, that would keep her going at least for some time.

Yes Bell mentioned that time moves differently in Heaven, but also do not forget that Peorth, Urd, Skuld, Mara, and even Bell have all returned back to heaven at one point or another and have all returned well within a relatively short period of time. I don't think time passes quite as dramatically as you might think... It may pass variably in that if there are periods where there is no need for Goddesses upon the earth then time may pass far faster on earth than in heaven until there is a need then time re=snycs itself. Thats just a theory since both Bell's statement about time passing, Peorth's references about how long a Goddess lives/exists and the seeming relative ease at which the Goddesses have been able to return to Heaven and come back to earth (without any real time dilation). Then again Bell is the Goddess of the present.. and its been shown that with Urd and Skuld's help she can time travel... and going by your last statement about Bell putting K1 first above all else.... then if it really comes down to it.. Bell could see K1 anytime she wants..

Now as for Celestine... Bell sure didn't hesitate to kiss him now did she? hmm... come to think of it.. .she didn't even kiss K1 in that movie either now did she?...

Yeah the whole Time Travel thing is one of the worst additions Ghoda made to the sereis, and since its not part of the Manga, I hesitate to accept it as part of the true canon.

Celestine kissed her not vice versa when he showed up after the party, she seemed shocked when he kissed her and then she passed out from the virus he implanted, Belldandy doesn't have any particular feelings for Celestine beyond that of a teacher/father figure, so if you're insinuating that she loves him more than K1, I think you need to rethink your ideas :P

Having re-watched the whole scene.... nope... She defiantly has/had feelings for Celestine... more akin to a puppy love/crush... like that of a fan-girl towards an admired idol.. She was surprised that Celestine kissed her but make no mistake, she was not resistant towards it in the least. Bell has proved that she is quite capable of escaping when she has need. She didn't openly welcome it.. but neither did she fight it. She was.. passive... or rather in a quandary as to how to react to the whole situation. With Celestine's sudden appearance, and Urd basically ready to attack him, Bell was at a total loss as to what and why things were happening the way they were. Indeed she remained at a loss and seeking answers through out most of the film. Also if your going to compare her feelings towards him as a father figure... remember most daughters love their fathers... Still Bell's love for K1 far outstripped her admiration for Celestine. Thats part of why he blocked her memories of K1. He needed her loyalty to his cause to return, and K1 was a distraction that he did need to hamper his goals.
I really only brought up the kiss just to get your thoughts on it.

Now as for the whole time travel arch from S2... Time travel would/should have eventually been covered at some point in the story as you have three goddesses whom represent the Past, Present, and Future.. there has to be some attachment/reason for them to even have those titles. So its not so far fetched that they (even if its only when using combined powers) could transverse time. Yes it does throw a monkey wrench in the 'tragic love drama of possible permanent separation' as if abused Bell could conceivably have unlimited access to K1 at any time by simply hopping through time, but honestly thats not going to happen. If your going to start questioning that as true canon or not then you might as well question the whole TV series and the AMG movie too. I'm not... I'm just going to enjoy the series, in all its formats...

No her affection for him is purely that of a surrogate father figure in her life, she did love him, but not the way that you are thinking of, she wasn't willing in the kiss just shocked, you could tell by the look on her fact that she wasn't prepared for it. If you look at the scene she wasn't ready since she couldn't understand the events going on around her, but to say that she was willing to kiss him is wrong, especially not where K1 could see her kissing him, the only reason she was passive as you put it was due to shock at the events and why her teacher/father figure was kissing her.

As for the time travel the problem is it leaves the time paradox issue unresolved, and plays fast and free with the whole concept of time, the whole thing was badly done, they may be goddesses of time, but the way it was handled leaves too many holes in the story.

@ EvilPaladin Yeh that would be insane and would play major havoc with the fans... But I was thinking more of a scenario of Bell being sent back to duty and regardless of the amount of time she spent in heaven and at her duties.. when she did have a break she would transverse back in time to say... an hour or so after she left K1 the last time. He would never know the difference for relative to his time line she would only be gone an hour, but for her years could pass.... I know Avinash would disagree (as with everything), but its not inconceivable.

@ Avinash Since either you missed it or didn't read what I posted last time.. here is part of it again:

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She didn't openly welcome it.. but neither did she fight it. She was.. passive... or rather in a quandary as to how to react to the whole situation. With Celestine's sudden appearance, and Urd basically ready to attack him, Bell was at a total loss as to what and why things were happening the way they were. Indeed she remained at a loss and seeking answers through out most of the film.

Reading your last post I thought I was re-reading my own again.... I will admit though that I'm surprise (or was rather waiting for) you didn't bring up also that in the AMG movie that Morgan also kissed K1 (yes I know it was to infect K1 with Celestine). Bell had a lot of admiration for Celestine and he obviously had more than a casual interest in her (Morgan hints at this). But it was not some torrid love affair, and nor do I think it was so.

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@ EvilPaladin Yeh that would be insane and would play major havoc with the fans... But I was thinking more of a scenario of Bell being sent back to duty and regardless of the amount of time she spent in heaven and at her duties.. when she did have a break she would transverse back in time to say... an hour or so after she left K1 the last time. He would never know the difference for relative to his time line she would only be gone an hour, but for her years could pass.... I know Avinash would disagree (as with everything), but its not inconceivable.

@ Avinash Since either you missed it or didn't read what I posted last time.. here is part of it again:
[quote]She didn't openly welcome it.. but neither did she fight it. She was.. passive... or rather in a quandary as to how to react to the whole situation. With Celestine's sudden appearance, and Urd basically ready to attack him, Bell was at a total loss as to what and why things were happening the way they were. Indeed she remained at a loss and seeking answers through out most of the film.

Reading your last post I thought I was re-reading my own again.... I will admit though that I'm surprise (or was rather waiting for) you didn't bring up also that in the AMG movie that Morgan also kissed K1 (yes I know it was to infect K1 with Celestine). Bell had a lot of admiration for Celestine and he obviously had more than a casual interest in her (Morgan hints at this). But it was not some torrid love affair, and nor do I think it was so.[/QUOTE]

No I did read your post, the reason I said what I said was because I felt that the way you put it, focusing so heavily on her admiration for Celestine, made it seem like you were implying that she was actually willing, your comment that she wasn't resistant in the least and a fangirl made it seem like she wanted him to kiss her, which I felt was incorrect, and only adding in the shock and passive aspects as an afterthought, I was trying to point out where I felt your emphasis was incorrect, namely this section:

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Having re-watched the whole scene.... nope... She defiantly has/had feelings for Celestine... more akin to a puppy love/crush... like that of a fan-girl towards an admired idol.. She was surprised that Celestine kissed her but make no mistake, she was not resistant towards it in the least. Bell has proved that she is quite capable of escaping when she has need. She didn't openly welcome it.. but neither did she fight it.

This was the section that I felt gave the wrong impression of her reaction, I agree mostly with your other comment, that it was out of confusion as to why he was kissing her and why Urd was angry, but I disagree that the admiration for him played a role in it, rather it was the trust she had for him, due to him being her teacher that let him get close enough to kiss her. She trusted him like a father so she didn't have her guard up and he exploited that.

As for Morgan kissing K1, I didn't really feel that it brought anything new to the discussion, since in my opinion it was essentially the same scene, he didn't have any particular feelings for Morgan in that way, much like I don't agree with you assesment of her having a puppy-love for Celestine.

Yeah nobody voted for urd! (H)
Skuld is soooo irritating,,,

Its true that Skuld sometimes is irritating, but when theres a problem she have the proper attitude

I dont have a least fav char. I think all of them are a essential part of AMS

well, my least fave of the selection is Skuld (aside frm others)
she is irritating... but i guess its normal for the reason she being young

but, note*
she became a-part-fav character when she grew up ^^ hehehe

aside from her is probably Celestin and that 4-eyed-rich guy.. >.

yeah skuld i hate the most granted she is needed in the story but she always kills the mood for bell and kei.

I vote for "Other" category, becouse my favorit haracter is Lind.
But Zero for Urd is cruel...

yeah, why hasnt anyone voted for Urd yet?
hehe.
is she that loved by everyone?

I like Urd but Urd 0% and Belldandy 1.7% what’s up with that?
Skuld 13.6% granted she is irritating but man that’s high.

I like all of the characters listed in this poll so I voted for other.

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I like Urd but Urd 0% and Belldandy 1.7% what’s up with that?
Skuld 13.6% granted she is irritating but man that’s high.

I like all of the characters listed in this poll so I voted for other.

i think it's that urd has something else that her sister doesn't (asides from an incredibly hot body...) i don't understand but i'm thankful no-one's voted for her...

i voted for sayoko...
never liked her that much
:P:P:P:P:):):):)

well.. Urd has equal parts..
i mean she is good, bad, irritating, helpful, caring, ignorant.. etc.
her elements are quite balanced so maybe thats why we like her,
well, thats how i like her.. hehe

I have to say that my least favorite person in Ah! My Goddess is Hild. Even though she does her job, she has to be one of the most evil beings I have ever seen.